In yesterday's post about the rape of young Iranian women before execution, I referred to an exchange I've been having at Libertarian Republican with a woman (I assume; sounds like she might be wearing a burqa) after a comment I made regarding Michael Savage being taken off the UK (United Koranlovers) banned list. I'm warning you that she has tossed in a few expletives. I, on the other hand, have tried to remain respectful, but that's coming to an end.
Here's the exchange so far:
blackandgoldfan said...After the way he was treated for just giving his opinion about a religion that tolerates the execution of women who are raped and condones men beating their wives, Mr. Savage shouldn't spend another cent of his money in that country.
The UK (United Koranlovers) has capitulated to radical Islam almost to the point of no return. Even after the 2005 London terrorist attacks, there has been little effort to stem the flow of radical Islam in that country.
Tolerance for those whose only mission is to eliminate "infidels" is a national security nightmare for any country.
bint alshamsa said...
blackandgoldfan,
"After the way he was treated for just giving his opinion about a religion that tolerates the execution of women who are raped and condones men beating their wives"
As opposed to the world's biggest religion? The one that condones the rape of little children and condemns those who try to save them? The one whose members have killed more people than Muslims ever have? The one where women who are beat by their husbands are not allowed to divorce them?
blackandgoldfan said...
bint: If you're referring to Christianity, yes, it did have its dark history. No one is disputing that. But when did Christianity ever condone the rape of children? If you're referring to the Catholic Church, you are wrong. I am a Catholic, and I know of no fellow parishoners or priests who condone child rape or the molestation of children. We do not agree with the relocation of priests who commit such heinous acts.
Women who are beaten by their husbands are allowed to divorce, contrary to what you may think. If they are Catholic, or want to remarry in a Catholic church, they need an annulment. They can't take the sacraments of the church until they do. Don't agree with it, but those are the rules. And if domestic abuse is the issue, the church would most likely grant an annulment.
The only reason you can cite Christianity as "The one whose members have killed more people than Muslims ever have" is because the history of Muslims seems to be more secretive. Not much has been said until recent years about what REALLY goes on in the Muslim world. We had the Crusades and the Inquisition, but never was a woman killed by Christians for being the victim of a violent sexual assault. How can any decent human being rationalize that? I forgot; it's different because we're talking about "the religion of peace". The same "religion" that has no problem flying airplanes full of innocent people into skyscrapers because anyone who doesn't believe as they do is an "infidel" and deserves to die. Yeah...real peaceful.
bint alshamsa said...
Blackandgoldfan,
"If you're referring to Christianity, yes, it did have its dark history."
That's definitely the understatement of the year. There was no point where these things stopped occurring.
"But when did Christianity ever condone the rape of children? If you're referring to the Catholic Church, you are wrong. I am a Catholic, and I know of no fellow parishoners or priests who condone child rape or the molestation of children."
Actually, I'm correct. Regardless of whether you know of any priests who condone the rape of children, there are plenty who not only condone it but actually engage in it, too. Do I really need to dig up some links from all of the sex scandals involving clergy (including PLENTY of Catholic priests) and young children? Let's not forget this recent case where the mother of a 9 yr. impregnated by her step-father was excommunicated because she chose to save her daughter's life (instead of forcing her to try and carry TWINS that almost certainly would have killed her in the process) but did nothing to the man who was actually responsible for the girl being pregnant in the first place.
"We do not agree with the relocation of priests who commit such heinous acts."
Nevertheless, the Catholic church certainly agreed with doing this because it happened again and again and again.
"Women who are beaten by their husbands are allowed to divorce, contrary to what you may think."
Clearly you've never read your Bible.
"If they are Catholic, or want to remarry in a Catholic church, they need an annulment. They can't take the sacraments of the church until they do. Don't agree with it, but those are the rules."
Frankly, I don't give a shit about those rules. Every religion makes up rules about why something or another should be allowed or forbidden. The issue is what supposedly-Christian groups teach and allow and what the Bible says.
"The only reason you can cite Christianity as "The one whose members have killed more people than Muslims ever have" is because the history of Muslims seems to be more secretive. Not much has been said until recent years about what REALLY goes on in the Muslim world."
Wrong! The fact that you are ignorant of Islamic and Muslim history doesn't mean that it's any more secretive than that of other religions and their members. It would be nice if people like you would educate yourself before you make comments that are so easily disproved.
"We had the Crusades and the Inquisition, but never was a woman killed by Christians for being the victim of a violent sexual assault."
So, killing a woman because you think she's a witch is somehow more civilized? How about when you kill her because she belongs to the wrong denomination of Christianity? Is that better? How about when you kill her because she lives in a place where you don't like the government's policies? How about when you kill her because she won't convert to Christianity? Is that somehow justifiable, to you?
"it's different because we're talking about 'the religion of peace'."
It's no less peaceful than the religion you are attempting to defend. If you have a problem with a man passing judgment on a woman based on something that happened to her body, then how can you defend the Catholic church? It does just that, over and over again, all around the world.
"The same "religion" that has no problem flying airplanes full of innocent people into skyscrapers because anyone who doesn't believe as they do is an "infidel" and deserves to die."
As opposed to dropping bombs on and slaughtering cities full of innocent people because your leader thinks the whole world is either "with us or against us"? Yeah, that's really peaceful!
blackandgoldfan said...
bint: Here's a story about child rape you might be interested in. Hint: It doesn't involve a Christian denomination.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,534116,00.html?test=latestnews
bint alshamsa said...
Blackandgoldfan,
Is there some reason why we shouldn't pay attention to the rapes committed by your clergy and condoned by your denomination? Are you that ashamed of your church's behavior that you have to try to avoid talking about it by pointing to stories like that one? Have you ever heard of the saying, "Physician, heal thyself."?
I see you still haven't been able to find any justification for how your church treated the 9 yr. old girl who was raped and impregnated by her step-father. Doesn't she matter? Or are you okay with what was done to her? If you had a daughter who was 9 yrs. old, would you tell her that her body was as developed as it would need to be in order for her to have a couple of babies AT THE SAME TIME. Would you tell her that, at the age of 9 years old, she is emotionally mature enough to be able to deal with being a mother? Would you tell her that, if she is raped, she should be willing to die in childbirth?
What's the matter? Are you going to stand by your "those are the rules" justification when it comes to the rape of children?
blackandgoldfan said...
bint: Despite what you may think, I don't agree with everything that has gone on in the Catholic Church, the Muslim religion, or any other heinous act that has been committed in the name of that religion. To pervert religion for the sake of justification of one's sick twisted actions is a travesty.
Not once have I ever advocated ignoring the crimes that SOME within the Catholic Church have committed. In the case of the 9-year-old child, it's a moral dilemma. How do you deal with a situation where you have an innocent child who has forever been violated while preserving the sanctity of life? Unfortunately, it's a double-edged sword, and I can't honestly say how I would handle the same situation with my own daughter. And yes, she is 9.
I don't agree with keeping those who commit such acts around children. They deserve to be in prison. Or better yet, handed over to the families of their victims.
While I appreciate and share your concern for child rape vicitms, I haven't heard anything about the article I posted for you to read. Did you read it? If you did, then you cannot say that what is happening in Iran is any different than what you keep slamming Christian denominations for.
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@bint alshamsa...My Catholic child-raping murdering ass will do you a favor and turn the other cheek and pray for you...just don't try to bomb my house. You won't like the sound the trip wires make just before you hear BOOOOOOM!
@ Dr. Dave: LMAO!!! No wonder we here in the blogosphere love you!!!
Oh Dear B & G Fan!
Those trolls are rotten....they should go back to the daily kos and keep under their piles of slime while they sponge off the gov'mt/parents. No wonder the Country is going to Hell!
You have WAY WAY more patience than I do. I have a policy of not answering or giving trolls a platform. I just won't give them the satisfaction. The only reason I went into it a little bit last week, was the person that said some stuff about me is actually a "good friend" believe it or not, so I had to say something...but I did not keep up her crap for people to see!" But a random stranger off the internet, in these times?.... "When you argue with idiots they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience." I have enuf aggravation in my life, and engaging them just would bring it more. Plus I don't have any Xanax to calm my nerves, so why bother. I might be needing some they way things are going lately.
You wrote some really great stuff, but you know this poor excuse for a person didn't read it, she just wanted to bait you w/ Catholic bashing. I'm Catholic too, so I know that game.
Your lst clue she was a nutty bitch was that she's picking on you on a SERIOUS post like that. There is no way that treatment can be considered human...animals treat their species better than these scum sucking maggots. And she defends them? OMG Please don't aggravate yourself anymore giving these psycho's a platform!
So, now you need some Comic Relief, Hop by Bunni's Place and read my post, fresh off the presses....Also, I have Animation on some of the troops, relax and let the squirrel's seranade you. Have a good night, and don't think about such awful things! Bye, your pal, Bunni
My bunni pal: In reading her profile, she's a 32 year old career student. Enough said.
I do find myself going back to the story of the little girl who was raped and forced to have an abortion. My heart aches for her. I have my do not believe in abortion, but I truly don't know if I could make a different decision than that little girl's mother. I just keep praying about the whole thing.
I'm gonna make a blackandgold streak over to the hutch!!!
Much love, my friend!
Wow that's some exchange. Looks like Bint faltered in her second exchange. She doesn't stand behind any religion so sticking up for Islam is pretty disingenuous. The atrocities of atheism is well documented. Hitler, Stalin, and Moa.
C-Gen: I just read her latest comments at LR. She defines herself as a "womanist", whatever the hell that is. I'm not even going to waste the space of putting that up. She's a freakin' fruitcake!
Tolerance for those whose only mission is to eliminate "infidels" is a national security nightmare for any country...amen sista!!:)
Thanks Angel! This woman forgets that it isn't the Swedish Bikini Team who continues to wreak havoc on the world. I forgot to ask her when was the last time Christians or Jews sent children into a marketplace to blow up as many people as possible. Her answer would've been expletive laced.
You made some excellent points, which Miss Bint promptly ignored.
Her responses remind me of that old saying: you can't have a battle of wits with an unarmed person ;-)
Kelster: Thanks for reading; I really appreciate it.
In reading her profile, she is a 32 year old career student, which means she has been indoctrinated in all of the left's talking points and will never deviate from those. She has lost her ability to think outside of what she's been told all these years. Really sad!
Take care!!!
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